See my view on this paragraph from Page 12 of Concealed From Christians - For The Glory of God -The 1611 KJV, by G. John Rōv:

 

“In John, when the Word was made flesh in Jesus, He was a container for the Father and was one with the Father. Though the Son was distinct from the Father, He was not separate from the Father because He was His Word containing His essential and exact spirit. The Father was abiding in the Son (John 14:10,11 KJV). Those who do not believe the deity of Christ have made a tragic under sight.”

 

If the Son (Jesus Christ) was distinct from the Father because He was the Father’s Word, and He contains the Father’s essential and exact spirit, shouldn’t it be that G. John Rov, the author of Concealed From Christians - For The Glory of God - The 1611 KJV, say this? ORDER THIS BOOK AT THIS LINK: https://www.amazon.com/Concealed-Christians-Glory-God-Authorized/dp/1483494349/

 

The Spirit of the Father is the same Spirit of Jesus Christ and this Spirit is known and identified as the HOLY SPIRIT (3 parts of the Godhead), not 3 distinct persons? 

 

Not Jesus Christ contains the Father’s essential and exact spirit (with a small s), but Spirit with a Capital S, the HOLY Spirit, 3 parts of the Godhead, NOT 3 distinct persons??

 

And that the Father resides within Jesus Christ functioning as the SOUL (the SOUL is mind, will, emotions, desire, volition) i.e. I came not to do my will but the will of the Father John 6:38-40 KJV.

 

Resides means this, from The Compact Edition of The Oxford English Dictionary, Page 2508:

 

To settle ; to take up one’s abode or station.

 

To rest or rely upon oneself.

 

To dwell permanently or for a considerable time, to have one’s settled or usual abode, in or at a particular place.

 

Of persons having some special status or position. Hence, to live (at a place) for the discharge of official duties ; to be ‘ in residence ‘. The Father resides within Jesus Christ functioning as the SOUL, again 3 parts of the Godhead, NOT three distinct persons. Jesus Christ being the ONLY BODY PERSON (with a face, hands, legs, feet, etc.) The Father and The HOLY SPIRIT both being Spirit functioning as SOUL (mind, will, emotions, desire, volition) i.e. I came not to do my will but the will of the Father - John 6:38-40 KJV

 

Of power, rights, etc. : To rest or be vested in a person, etc. The Father (as Spirit) rests or resides within Jesus Christ functioning as SOUL (see above what SOUL means).

 

Of qualities, attributes, etc. To be present or inherent in a person or thing. See above on how the Father resides or is present within Jesus Christ, functioning as SOUL, and the HOLY SPIRIT gives testimony of this (3 parts, NOT Jesus Christ walking around in Heaven as three Jesus Christ’s), but the ONLY BODY PERSON.

 

We are made and created in His image, after His likeness (with a physical body with face, hands, feet, legs) Genesis 1:26 KJV, but we also have soul and spirit, like the Father and HOLY SPIRIT residing within us (1 Thessalonians 5:23 KJV). The soul and the spirit within us are invisible though.

 

To remain or continue in a certain place or position. Jesus Christ is the ONLY BODY PERSON in the Godhead, with face, hands, legs, feet. So He is the ONLY part of the Godhead that has the position of having a physical human body like we do (Jon Lutz, Andrew Sheets).

 

Of things : To lie, be placed or stationed, somewhere. The Father resides or is stationed within Jesus Christ and functioning as the SOUL (mind, will, emotions, desire, volition). The Three parts of the Godhead, NOT 3 distinct persons

 

The Father and the HOLY SPIRIT are invisible also, in Heaven and on earth.

 

** Here is a challenge for any of you who believe the Trinity: show me any instance of the Father or the HOLY SPIRIT that came down to earth in a human body with face, hands, arms, legs, feet, Old or New Testament KJV**

 

 In Colossians 1:15 KJV: 

 

15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:

 

And Colossians 2:9 KJV: 

 

9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

 

Image in Colossians 1:15 KJV means (from Page 1376 in The Compact Edition of The Oxford English Dictionary):

 

 

Applied to a person : as simulating the appearance of some one, or considered as unreal

 

Jesus Christ is the Only Body Person in the Godhead. The Father and the HOLY SPIRIT are invisible, as Colossians 1:15 KJV says.

 

abstractly. Aspect, appearance, form : semblance, likeness. We are made and created in the image of Jesus Christ (Genesis 1:26 KJV), with a physical human body, which the Father and HOLY SPIRIT don’t have. The Holy Spirit is not a person but Spirit of whom both the Father and Jesus Christ are that Spirit.

 

A thing in which the aspect, form or character of another is reproduced : a counterpart, copy. Jesus Christ is the ONLY BODILY IMAGE of the Godhead; however, He does display the character and aspect of the Father and the HOLY SPIRIT, i.e. Love, compassion, kindness, etc.

 

A thing that represents or is taken to represent something else ; a symbol, emblem, representation. Jesus Christ represents the Father in bodily form, and even if He is not the Father or The HOLY SPIRIT, the Father resides within Jesus Christ functioning as the SOUL (mind, will, emotions, desire, volition) - will - I came to do not my will but the will of the Father - John 6:38-40 KJV).

 

A thing in which some quality is vividly exhibited, so as to make it a natural representative of such quality ; a type, typical example, embodiment. (Now always of the quality ; formerly also of a person :

 

The Father is exhibited in Jesus Christ as Spirit and that Spirit is identified as the HOLY SPIRIT, and the Father is Spirit in witness as the Soul within Jesus Christ. Soul is mind, will, emotions, desire, volition - I came not to do my own will but the will of the Father John 6:38-40 KJV.

 

If one did not properly harmonize 1 Thessalonians 5:23 KJV with 1 John 5:7 KJV we would have to conclude that I am actually three distinct people living in one person.  We bear the image of Jesus Christ - face, hands, legs - in His image (Genesis 1:26 KJV ).  Jesus is the ONLY BODY PERSON. The Father is Spirit in witness as the Soul within Jesus Christ.

 

**Also, on Page 20 of Concealed From Christians For The Glory of God, The 1611 KJV, by G. John Dov, where he says this: “When a man initially comes to Christ he has already begun embracing many of the twofold revelations of God. He comes to know that God is one Lord in three persons; that God is immaterial in the Father and material in the Son; that he must worship in spirit and in truth; that he needs the Old Testament and the New Testament Scriptures.”

 

Question: How can God be one Lord in three persons, of God is immaterial in the Father and material in the Son?

 

Immaterial (from The Compact Edition of The Oxford English Dictionary) Page 1379 Definitions:

 

Not material ; not consisting of matter ; incorporeal ; spiritual.

 

Things that are non-material.

 

Having little substance ; flimsy, slight.

 

If The Father is immaterial, that means He is not made of matter, or is incorporeal, not having a physical human body with face, hands, legs, feet, like Jesus Christ, who is the ONLY BODY PERSON in The Godhead with face, hands, legs, feet, both when He was on earth in the flesh 2,000 years ago, and also in Heaven today.

 

If we look at 1 John 5:6-9 KJV:

 

6 This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth.

 

***7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

 

***8 And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.

 

9 If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son.

 

1 John 5 Verse 8 KJB proves that Verse 7 KJV is not 3 distinct persons. The Spirit of God will never bear witness with opposite doctrine. In other words, Verse 8 KJV is NOT 3 different distinct persons, but rather refer to the 3 parts of Jesus Christ (body, soul, and spirit). Jesus Christ would not bear witness of himself on earth to 3 distinct persons in Heaven. This would contradict His witness on earth with His witness in Heaven, and HE would NEVER do that, otherwise His witness would be false both on earth and in Heaven, and we may as well just not believe any of the rest of HIS doctrine or witness in the rest of The KJV Bible either.

 

In 1 John 5:8 KJV above, this is how we can prove that Verse 8 KJV is NOT 3 distinct persons, but the 3 parts of Jesus Christ:

 

8 And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.

 

The Spirit was always abiding within Jesus Christ, even when He was fully God and fully man 2,000 years ago, and still is abiding within Him today up in The Third Heaven.

 

If we look at John 4:7-14 KJV with Jesus passing through Samaria, talking to the Samaritan woman comparing the water she is drawing at the well with His Living Water (Verses 13-14, in particularly Verse 14 both KJV,

 

where He is talking about Himself being the living water being a well springing up into everlasting life. This goes along with 1 John 5:8 KJV - and the water above:

 

7 There cometh a woman of Samaria to draw water: Jesus saith unto her, Give me to drink.

 

8 (For his disciples were gone away unto the city to buy meat.)

 

9 Then saith the woman of Samaria unto him, How is it that thou, being a Jew, askest drink of me, which am a woman of Samaria? for the Jews have no dealings with the Samaritans.

 

10 Jesus answered and said unto her, If thou knewest the gift of God, and who it is that saith to thee, Give me to drink; thou wouldest have asked of him, and he would have given thee living water.

 

11 The woman saith unto him, Sir, thou hast nothing to draw with, and the well is deep: from whence then hast thou that living water?

 

12 Art thou greater than our father Jacob, which gave us the well, and drank thereof himself, and his children, and his cattle?

 

13 Jesus answered and said unto her, Whosoever drinketh of this water shall thirst again:

 

14 But whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life.

 

QUESTION: Did Jesus Christ in Verses 13-14 KJV above say to the Samaritan woman that the water that He gives springing up into everlasting life came from the Father or the HOLY SPIRIT (or Holy Ghost), or just Himself??

 

And then if we go to John 19:33:35 KJV, where Jesus Christ is crucified and when he is pierced through His side, blood and water came out (Verse 34 KJV), notice that in 1 John 5:8 KJV, both the water and the blood are mentioned:

 

33 But when they came to Jesus, and saw that he was dead already, they brake not his legs:

 

34 But one of the soldiers with a spear pierced his side, and forthwith came there out blood and water.

 

35 And he that saw it bare record, and his record is true: and he knoweth that he saith true, that ye might believe.

 

QUESTION: In Verse 34 KJV above, when Jesus’ side was pierced, did water and blood come out of the Father and HOLY SPIRIT (or Holy Ghost), or just Jesus Christ??

 

Here’s something very interesting from this Link: https://blog.biblesforamerica.org/what-does-the-blood-and-water-that-came-out-of-jesus-pierced-side-mean/ :

 

“Two substances came out of the Lord’s pierced side: blood and water. Blood is for redemption, to deal with sins (John 1:29 KJV; Hebrews 9:22 KJV) for the purchasing of the church (Acts 20:28 KJV). Water is for imparting life, to deal with death (Hebrews 12:24 KJV; Matthew 3:14-15  - both KJV) for the producing of the church (Ephesians 5:29-30 KJV). The Lord’s death, on the negative side, takes away our sins, and on the positive side, imparts life into us. Hence, it has two aspects: the redemptive aspect and the life-imparting aspect. The redemptive aspect is for the life-imparting aspect.The record of the other three Gospels portrays only the redemptive aspect of the Lord’s death. John’s record portrays not only the redemptive aspect but also the life-imparting aspect.”

 

Blood is for redemption, to deal with sins (John 1:29 KJV; Hebrews 9:22 KJV – both KJV) for the purchasing of the church (Acts 20:28 KJV). Water is for imparting life, to deal with death (Hebrews 12:24 KJV; Matthew 3:14-15 KJV)

 

Blood is for redemption, to deal with sins (John 1:29 KJV; Hebrews 9:22 KJV):

 

John 1:29 King James Version
 

29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.
 
Hebrews 9:22 King James Version:

 

22 And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.

 

for the purchasing of the church (Acts 20:28 KJV):

 

28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.

 

And for:

 

 Water is for imparting life, to deal with death (Hebrews 12:24</b KJV; Matthew 3:14-15 KJV – both KJV)

 

Hebrews 12:24 KJV:

 

24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.

 

And Matthew 3:14-15 KJV:

 

14 But John forbad him, saying, I have need to be baptized of thee, and comest thou to me?

 

15 And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness. Then he suffered him.

 

And we compare Verses 1 John 5:7-8 KJV to Ephesians 1:7-10 KJV, particularly Verses 9-10 KJV, it says the same thing, referring to Jesus Christ both in Heaven and on earth:

7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;

 

8 Wherein he hath abounded toward us in all wisdom and prudence;

 

9 Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself:

 

***10 That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:

 

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